tv Martin Bashir MSNBC October 17, 2013 4:00pm-5:00pm EDT
nati with parliamentary elections. >> good afternoon. it's thursday, october the 17th. at long last, all is west in washington. the president is at work and the house is on recess. >> democrats and responsible republicans came together. >> the speaker got a standing ovation. >> let's be cheer, there are no winners here. >> we fought the good fight. we just didn't win. >> america's frustration with this town has never been higher. >> tempers flared. people said things they might have regred. >> the american people are completely fed up. >> politicians crave approval. look at the disapproval. >> the only thing putting us at risk is repeated brinksmanship. >> president obama gambled on the fact republicans were going to be adults in the room. >> we have to make sure we don't get in that position again. we have to stop it early. >> there are folks on the other side who think my policies are misguided. >> this is a classic instance of
the washington establishment selling the american people down the river. >> you don't like a particular policy or a particular president, then argue for your position. go out there and win an election. ♪ we don't care about the old folks ♪ >> it's a good thursday afternoon to you and at last our long, national nightmare is over. the government is arrive. and speaker john boehner has run out of town. yes, even as long idle federal workers were streaming back to their jobs greeted by the likes of vice president joe biden, the house speaker was boarding a plane, big grin on his face, bound perhaps for a secure undisclosed location to refurbish his sun tan. that's right, as soon as house republicans did their part passing legislation to end the government shutdown and sending it to the president's desk, they began a well deserved recess. really? i mean they have been working
weekends and everything. but as the house gop heads home to sleep off their shutdown hangover, the president offered a few thoughts they might like to ponder. >> the american people are completely fed up with washington. in a moment when our economic recovery demands more jobs, more momentum, we've got yet another self-inflicted crisis that set our economy back. and for what? >> let's see, what was it for again, republicans? to strip money from the affordable care act? no, i'm so sorry, senator cruz, that didn't happen. boost their 2014 campaign credibility. no, i'm afraid gop poll numbers tanked to their lowest number ever in our nbc poll. well, let's just call it a teachable moment, shall we, and the president was happy to step into his professorial role. >> you don't like a particular policy or a particular
president? then argue for your position. go out there and win an election. push to change it. but don't break it. >> but before you can say all the king's horses and all the king's men, chairman of the humpty dumpty caucus, ted cruz, came out blazing on the senate floor last night to declare he'll keep up the good fight against the affordable care act. >> i am encouraged by the millions of americans who want to get back to our free market principles, get back to the constitution and stop this train wreck of a law. the path forward if the american people continue to rise up, we're going to turn this around. >> oh, yeah, they're going to turn this one around. let's get right to our panel. with us from washington, dana milbank, a political columnist for the "washington post" professor michael eric dyson. dana, let's take a quick look at some of the international reaction to this debacle.
the south china morning post says default or not, the united states has damaged its credit rating and its standing in the world. britain's telegraph says america is the certain loser. two continents, two condemnations but according to ted cruises and tim huelskamp, it was outright victory. >> it was a victory for ted cruz. he's raised all kinds of money. he has endeared himself to this very passionate but rather small and shrinking segment of the electorate, so it was a victory for ted cruz. there is nobody -- i mean i think the president is right. there is no winners except for maybe the senate chaplain, barry black, who got parodied on "saturday night live." but in terms of elected people, i don't think anybody is happy with it and there is a real sense of foreboding that we are just looking at -- just punted
this so we can do the same thing again in 90 days. >> i was reading benjamin witts of the brookings institution and he said the current congress is a greater danger to national security than al qaeda. >> which is why we should be happy to see that photograph of john boehner getting on the airplane. i think they have earned a vacation and they should perhaps stay home a good long while. >> okay. professor dyson, last week we featured marlin stotzman who said we have to get something out of this, and i don't know what that even is. we can help answer that question. standard & poor's says the shutdown has taken at least $24 billion out of the economy, 800,000 federal workers didn't get paid, four million nursing mothers lost critical important nutritional assistance. that's what they got out of this, didn't they, they hurt the people and humiliated the nation. >> they hurt the people, humiliated the nation and did nothing to forward the notion
that they were the true tea party patriots. the problem is that this undermines the integrity of their claims about being patriots when you're so selfish that you're willing to slander a president, you're willing to subvert a nation all in deference to your particular way of doing things. the president said, look, win an election. look, dudes, i went out and twice got elected president of the united states of america. don't try to use your particular privilege as a political figure to try to bully pulpit your way into the hearts and minds of america. do it the old-fashioned way. go out and win an election. >> but professor dyson, senator cruz says i got elected ten months ago. what more do you want? >> you know what, one senator, one of 100 men and women in the senate is not the same as the one man who happens to now be leading the united states of america as president. and i think here again, this is -- shows the kind of fatal selfishness of the tea party to
believe that the victory that ted cruz won, that is the victory of self agrandizement, the victory of unstinting self interest, the victory of getting his name in print and now being celebrated is worth every penny to the folk who suffered and the 800,000 folk who were shut out and of course the health of so many other people that was fatally compromised during this shutout. it's an extraordinary display of a narcissism that i think is undermining the fabric of american society here. >> absolutely. now, dana, you anticipated my thoughts as always, because if it were up to senator marco rubio, the government would actually still be shut down and we would have defaulted today. as you know, he voted against the deal last night. and he appeared on fox news earlier today. i'd like you to listen to his contribution. >> was it a trouncing, first of all? >> well, again, it depends on what you think we're playing for. if in fact this is about scoring political points and impressing
journalists and impressing columnists, i'm sure the white house feels pretty good this morning. >> there you have it, dana. what they're playing for is to impress you and your colleagues. i can't figure out what else they were doing. >> i'm very flattered. >> you should be. >> the one good thing to come out of this, i think, is, look, everybody standing is down, but the president has proven that if he leads with a sense of strong leadership, he can beat these guys. and now we're going to go into this much more important discussion about the budget, and that should be -- so he's seen a model. if he continues with strong and unwavering leadership, he can get what he's looking for. that doesn't mean not compromising and not putting parts of obama care and entitlements on the table. but he's shown that he can actually win a battle here and that's something encouraging. that's something that can get done. >> i think the truth is, dana, that the president believed he
was dealing with adults who were responsible adults and the truth of this experience is he has not been and now he knows and so from now on he'll treat them as children. >> one in three were adults who voted to avoid a default. two out of three, he'll have to deal with an adolescent underaged caucus. >> professor dyson, guess who else voted against the deal. that would be the failed vice presidential pick, paul ryan. as you know, he's now co-chair of the budget group that's tasked with finding common group. so how well is that going to go? >> yeah, i don't think that's going to work very well for the american people. the problem here is that one failure doesn't stop them. one significant blow to their psyches or the collective, you know, if you will, health of their caucus doesn't discourage them. they take it as a badge of honor. the more they lose, they believe they win. there's almost no stopping a group like that. they figure as long as they hoist themselves, as long as
they get good brownie points with their own tea party members, then the rest of america be damned and we don't have to be concerned about getting a budget and repeating this again. this is groundhog day for the budget in 90 days to see if we can go another round with these same figures who refuse to compromise and believe that any sense of compromise is a loss of integrity. that kind of extremism is what really challenges the variability of the president and the congress to negotiate laws and to enshrine law and to negotiate in order to put forth law that say will protect the american populous. i think unfortunately we'll see a replay of this not too far in the distant future. >> i pray you're wrong, professor michael eric dyson. >> i would love to be wrong. >> thank you, gentlemen. coming up, democratic senator barbara mikulski joins us and we'll put it to her straight. can washington win back the trust of americans? stay with us. but all my friends in
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the president concluded his speech today with a special thank you to the nation's federal workforce. it wasn't just that they have endured a three-year pay freeze nor that last night's deal gave them one that's still less than the current rate of inflation. no, it was the spectacle of republicans who daily berated
federal workers at national monuments and elsewhere around the country that compelled the president to express his own gratitude. >> i've got a simple message for all the dedicated and patriotic federal workers who have either worked without pay or been forced off the job without pay these past few weeks, including most of my own staff. thank you. thanks for your service. welcome back. what you do is important. don't let anybody else tell you different. >> joining us now is dem contract senator barbara mikulski of maryland. good afternoon, ma'am. >> hi there, martin. >> has it not been one of the ugliest aspects of this debacle that people like ted cruz have articulated the shutdown in terms of his own political ambition but never once described the impact on
hard-working, loyal americans, 130,000 federal workers in maryland? >> well, first of all, what mr. cruz and his followers were advocating in the united states senate was a pretty backward-looking approach to the united states of america. their whole approach was about defunding obama care. that's yesterday. obama care is the law of the land, it's passed the test of the supreme court. that's over with. earning the trust back of the american people means we need to have a forward-looking agenda. people want to know are they going to be better off four years from now. jobs, are they going to have jobs tomorrow? are they going to be able to have a government they can count on that's doing research to come up with cures for needed diseases? are they going to have a weather service that they can count on? is the fda going to be sure that
our drugs are safe and effective? and this is where the federal government comes in. >> but senator cruz never mentioned one of those things. >> well, you know, he never mentioned a forward futuristic agenda. this is what president obama and the democrats have offered. we want to be able to do a look ahead. we want to make sure that four years from now, people are better off than they were today. and in order to do that, you need a federal government, one of which is where we do important research and development. the other is where we help fund important physical infrastructure, repairing roads and bridges, where we provide the weather service that enables to make sure our ships at sea are safe and also that those who work in agriculture are safe from tornado alerts. so you can bash federal employees, but the american people know that they need them. >> absolutely.
i noticed something very striking, if i might intervene, about the no votes in the senate. there were 18 and not one by any of the 20 women in the senate. now to what do you ascribe that? >> well, i believe that the 20 women of the senate, regardless of what is our political party, some of us are democrats, some of us are pretty liberal, some are fiscal conservatives, some got elected out of the roots of the tea party. but what all 20 of us want is a forward-looking agenda. and this is why i think the women really represent the middle road and speaking for the middle class. you know, while the guys huff and puff and pound their chest about macro policy, the women of this senate tend to focus on macaroni and cheese policy as well as doing the macro. we want to go what is the policies going to do to affect
the american family, their lives and the american middle class pocketbook. so we get together on a regular basis, talk things over. you know what else we try to do, martin? we try to have a zone of civility, that even if we disagree, we're not disagreeable with each other. so this is why i thought last night not only did all 20 women vote for it, but there were 27 republicans, middle of the roaders, who want to help america's middle class. >> once again, ma'am, you've proved the point that women are often so much more gracious and intelligent than men. but we still have to address the fact that come something like nine, ten weeks time, ted cruz and other far right groups will be out there again, presumably trying to undermine the economic recovery, bring the government to its knees. are we just going to be in this position again in a few weeks' time? >> absolutely not. mr. cruz can huff and puff but
he cannot blow away the united states government and its talented civil service. right now we are actually working to solve the problems. senator patty murray, the chair of the budget committee, has already reached out to paul ryan. they're talking about how -- what can they do to begin to focus on getting a budget. i chair the appropriations committee. that's the discretionary spending for the united states government. i've been on the phone with sylvia burrell, the head of omb and reached out to my republican counterpart richard shelby. we are working the phones and beginning to work the numbers so that we will not have this crisis again, and we are trying to come together and find a middle road. >> senator barbara mikulski of maryland. ma'am, thank you so much for your service and thank you for your leadership. thank you. coming up, you already know thug life. well, cruz life stars in today's top lines and it ain't nothing but a gangster party.
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from the final vote to the final insult. here are today's top lines. this ain't bean bag, my friends. >> at this very moment, the senate is in the middle of a final vote to pass a bill that will end -- >> a 16 day long government shutdown. >> raise the debt ceiling and prevent government default. >> it passed the senate a little over an hour ago. >> this is a terrible deal. >> it is now in the house. we are all in john boehner's hands right now. lord give us strength. >> his will will be, as it will be. >> what the heck was this for. >> the most talked about guys in d.c., at the moment, senator ted cruz and mike lee. >> we are two wild and crazy guys. >> it was important to reestablishment our brand as being against obama care. >> just the absolute destruction of our brand. >> this two-week shutdown has
cost $25 billion. >> you're telling me the reason for that, the plus side, was that republicans got to, quote, exhibit their beliefs. >> it was a fool's errand. >> and also convince their base that they're really against obama care. >> why did this happen? >> the short term inconveniences and problems with the -- >> it was an inconvenience for the 97% of nasa employees in cleveland that got furloughed. >> with the shutdown -- with the government closing -- >> we have to really take a step back and reflect on this now. >> sometimes i guess even with your kids people have to experience a certain amount of pain. >> you're calling me a bully? here's a bully for you. >> at the end of the day, the old saying is politics ain't bean bag. >> but recently congressman gohmert of texas -- >> aspersions on my asparagus. >> called you an al qaeda supporter. >> sometimes those are comments like that are made out of
malice, but if someone has no intelligence. >> oh, we've been had. >> i don't view it as being a malicious statement. >> let's get right to our panel. joining us now is lauren fox of u.s. news and world report, jonathan capehart of the "washington post" and msnbc contributor jimmy williams. jonathan, if i might begin with you, grover norquist, the president of americans for tax reform, compared the shutdown to the iraq war. he says the people who brought you the shutdown are the same people who said plan: step one, invade iraq. step two, it turns into kansas. could i ask if there's anything between step one and step two oh ye of little faith? what do you think of that? >> well, it's amazing to me that people actually in the house actually believed senator cruz and senator lee when they told them that if you lead the charge to repeal, delay, defund obama
care, we will deliver the votes for you in the united states senate to make it happen. and no one in the house thought to think that -- thought to ask the question how is that going to be possible when democrats control the senate. and if by some miracle this were to happen, a democrat controls the white house, who under no circumstances would even sign that bill into law. that's what i'm trying to figure out. who were these people who thought that the cruz-lee strategy would actually work. >> yes, indeed we are still looking for someone who can answer that question. lauren, what do you think of mr. norquist's statement? i know he's a total squish on issues of fiscal austerity. >> you know, when it comes to issues of fiscal austerity, obviously grover norquist is one of the authorities in washington, d.c. but i spoke with him earlier today as well. and he said that, look, house speaker john boehner has actually gained a little bit of favor with some of these
conservatives in his caucus because they feel like the speaker was ready to take the country to the ledge in order to show that he was against the affordable care act so i think it's quite interesting to look at how republicans are playing this -- >> i'm sorry, lauren. so what gets you credit now in the republican party? just so i understand it, is you take the nation to the brink of the edge. is that right? >> well, one of the folks, mick mulvany of south carolina, said that house speaker john boehner has gotten 100% more favorable among some of the members of his own caucus here, so, yes, it appears that is one of the things that as the house speaker could make you more popular. >> jimmy, there's a lot of conflict among republicans. it's almost a crisis of cultural decay within the republican family, as you know. just listen to how violent their rhetoric is now turning. listen to this, jimmy. >> senate republicans were attacking house republicans in every venue from every front.
you know, it should have been the senate republicans that rode like the cavalry to support the courageous stand house republicans were taking. instead, they became the air force bombing our own troops. >> jimmy, why is ted cruz considered the consummate team player? >> i'm not sure what team he's the player on. i think maybe his own. you know, this reminds me a lot of the 1950s, the republicans of the 1950s. and i know people made the comparison with joe mccarthy. but there is a lot of similarity here. the party was divided. there was a massive bridge that needed to be sort of -- a gulf between the moderate faction of the republicans in the senate and the conservatives. and you won't forget that margaret chase smith, the independent -- not independent, the republican senator from maine went down to the floor of the senate june 1st, 1950, with mccarthy sitting two rose behind her and she castigated him for turning the senate into a chamber of hate and character
assassination. doesn't that all sound very familiar? so they have a bigger problem on their hand, which is as a party they have this internal fissure between the moderates and the conservatives. and the tea party is even separate from the conservatives. if cruz keeps doing what he's doing and continues to alienate and castigate his fellow colleagues, senate colleagues, then he's going to find himself on a very lonely iceberg for a very long time. >> john, speaking of ted cruz and his whole crowd, they have made it clear that they're not going to give up the fight. so what should democrats do from now until the next cataclysmic collision, which we expect to be in january-february? >> well, look, democrats go into the next few weeks actually having their position on paper. remember we're now going to be talking about -- i should say they will be talking about now the budget as well as what to do with the debt ceiling. remember the senate passed a budget months ago and have been
trying to get a conference together. and so now that's going to happen. so they'll be able to have their discussions, their negotiations, their fights. but i don't think that the onus is on democrats. the onus is on speaker boehner and republicans in the house who understand, if there are any left, who understand what it means to govern and how a minority of the majority cannot and should not dictate what happens in that chamber. remember, what happened yesterday, the bills that were voted on that the president signed into law could have been voted on a month ago. if speaker boehner had had the willingness to take -- send the bill to the floor and let it pass, not just with a majority of the majority, but with democratic votes as well. >> absolutely. now, lauren, we've talked about how democrats might respond in the next few weeks. what are you hearing that republicans feel they may have learned from this debacle, if anything? i mean have they learned anything? >> it depends on who you ask.
if you ask some of the moderate republicans in the senate, they would tell you that they do not want to repeat this mistake again, this has hurt their brand, this has hurt their credibility. but if you turn to some of the members of the house, they feel as though they have walked away proving to their constituencies that they are against the affordable care act and they are willing to do whatever it takes to stop it. even if that means possibly shutting the government down once again. >> absolutely disturbing, they have learned nothing. lauren fox, jonathan capehart, jimmy williams, thank you so much. coming up, after all the grandstanding of the majestic mr. cruz, the affordable care act lives. some call it a wild goose chase. what say you, senator mccain? >> the problem with their strategy was that it was a fool's errand. we were not going to defund obama care. that's why we had an election in 2012. ♪ put the lime in the coconut, she called the doctor woke him up and said, doctor ♪ ♪ ain't there nothing i can take
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i did not believe that the defunding obama care strategy was going to succeed from the beginning. by the way, all the flaws that those of us do believe exist in in obama care, that was all overshadowed by the fact the government was shut down. >> it was a mistaken strategy from the start or a fool's errand, to quote senator john mccain. and what's even worse for republicans is that if they had simply kept the government open, then the less than stellar rollout of the health care exchanges would have been the top story everywhere as opposed to just being the top story on fox news, where of course it continues to be the top story. >> this deal does nothing for the millions of people that were hurting because of obama care. >> moving forward, i want to unite the conference as best we can around the idea that obama care is bad and it's got to be stopped. >> joining us now is jared
bernstein, who of course is senior fellow at the center on budget and policy priorities. jared, republicans have repeatedly claimed that the affordable care act will damage the economy. can you tell us what the government shutdown has actually done to damage economic output? >> it has damaged the economy. i have heard, i think it was earlier on your show, you were talking about the $24 billion in output lost from the 16 or so day shutdown. that translates into something like a half percent of gdp. as you and i have discussed many times on this show, this is an economy that's already fragile and not growing quickly enough, so why you'd want to throw another self-inflicted wound like that, well, i guess you'd have to ask the folks who actually did it. and conversely, when you talk about the affordable care act, the evidence is quite to the contrary. we've actually seen -- not to say that it hasn't been a glitchy rollout, of course it has, but we've already seen
evidence that the affordable care act is lowering the cost of health care delivery in meaningful ways that will ultimately help the economy. >> okay. now, there was a great deal of excitement as the exchanges opened on october 1st, but since then we have heard almost exclusively about problems with the website and people having problems signing up. so to put it bluntly, should we be concerned about this new law or simply concerned about the software engineers who designed the website? >> the latter. and that's the thing that we have to fix. i mean the new law, it's interesting, you have so much evaluation, quote evaluation and really hatred, irrational hatred of the affordable care act. we don't know the full impact of the affordable care act and we won't know it for a while because it hasn't anywhere nearly completely phased in. what we have seen so far has been really quite promising up until the glitchy rollout.
we've seen lots of kids up to age 26 staying on their parents' insurance plan. we've seen lots of people getting help with preventive care. we've had this close in the problematic part of the drug program called the doughnut hole. basically helping elderly people afford more drugs. i mentioned to you how we're already seeing some evidence of what economists call bending the cost curve, lowering the rate. that is extremely important. for example, according to the congressional budget office, if you compare the forecast of medicare and medicaid now versus 2010, we're $900 billion down in terms of savings on those programs based on improvements in health care delivery, some of which seem to have to do with the affordable care act. so the act itself is sound. certainly getting it up and running, the implementation, we've got to fix those glitches. the only thing i'll add, there are states, new york, kentucky,
california, states where they are setting their own systems up where it appears to be working well. >> yeah, indeed. just a quick question on the effect then of this shutdown. how long does it take the nation to recover, as it were, its standing in financial terms after this debacle? >> you know, thankfully we don't have a large data set of debacles like this to answer that question reliably. i will say this, the half a percent of gdp, we might gain that back next quarter as the economy bounces back and some of the untapped demand gets realized next quarter. what is very hard to make back is the lack of trust, the lack of full faith. the idea that some of these treasury bills, you know, the full faith of the u.s. government are now seeing a risk premium on their interest rates. we'll have to watch and see those come down. that might not be so quick. >> and for that we can thank senator ted cruz. jared bernstein, thank you, sir.
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let's start the negotiations. but let's not leave this problem to keep festering for another year or two years or three years. this can and should get done by the end of this year. >> joining us now is democratic congressman luis gutierrez of illinois, author of the new book "still dreaming, my journey from the barrio to capitol hill." good afternoon, sir. >> it's good to be with you. >> congressman, is this the one ray of sunshine to come from this debacle, that if the president's first-term achievement is intact the affordable care act, that he's now ready to fight for comprehensive immigration reform as one of the main focuses of his second term? >> you know, i think there's a little precedent for it, right, for our optimism? back in 1996 after newt gingrich threw a temper tantrum because he was in the back of the plane and said i'm going to send president clinton an even harsher cr and they closed down the government twice in '95 and then again the first weeks of
'96. look what happened. kenne kennedy-kassebaum. we did signature bills for bill clinton for his first term. people started equally cooperating. there was more of a bipartisan spirit. now, i believe it was in the democrat self interests to get those things done but also the republican self interests to get those things done. so sometimes out of the quagmire come good things and i think comprehensive immigration reform is -- you know, if you look at the 80, 90 republicans that voted to keep the government open yesterday, there are a group a substantial number that want to do immigration reform and we know there are 180, 190 democrats ready to step up. with the president behind it, i think we should get it done. the votes exist. they have to leave this hastert rule, which you know, martin, you and i both know doesn't
exist. >> quite. it's ridiculous. >> hastert said the hastert rule is 218 votes so we could get something done. >> jay carney said today that the immigration bill the senate passed in june could pass -- sorry, the house passed, could pass the senate. but with 144 house gop members voting for default last night, would john boehner, do you think, risk another vote that required democratic support? >> here's what i think. i think that there are members of the republican party that are ready to reach across the aisle to get it done. and i think that every day -- there are two things that are happening here, right? i mean if he thinks strategically, as newt gingrich in 1996 was thinking, i want to keep the majority, let me get some things done, you know, bob dole is running against bill clinton, but i've got to get things done so i can keep my majority, number one. look, out of the defeat, out of the ashes of the defeat, what do
you want to do so people forget your defeat. a victory, right? this is a victory that would be celebrated by the american people because he's already got bipartisan support with it with "the new york times" and "wall street journal." afl-cio. >> you don't need to repeat all of them, i'm with you. lastly, the associated press reported that salsa is now the number one condiment in america. let me show everyone how matt druj blader that a.p. headline complete with sbrar owe. what do you say who people who reduce your culture to a sombrero. >> ignorance has always existed in america. the know-nothings and those who are mean and spiteful. look, they battered and beat the irish when they came here. they did the same thing to italians in the turn of the century saying they were all criminals. they were wrong with the italians and irish and they're wrong about the immigrants today. america has always stepped
forward and set those people aside. just like we're going to set aside the ted cruzzes, so are we going to take those who are hateful. america is really a country that in the end always embraces those that bring more compassion, more justice and a better prospect to the nation. >> from the barrio to capitol hill, right in front of our viewers, representative luis gout r gutierrez, thank you sir. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. when our little girl was born, we got a subaru. it's where she said her first word. (little girl) no! saw her first day of school. (little girl) bye bye! made a best friend forever. the back seat of my subaru
of indig nation displayed his exasperation with the illogical and irrational positions that some republicans have staked out over the last few years. >> we hear some members who pushed for the shutdown saying they were do it to save the american economy. but nothing has done more to undermine our economy these past three years than the kind of tactics that create these manufactured crises. >> and yet listening to several republicans, even after their complete surrender last night, it seems that they're not just irrational, many are actually suffering from a form of delusional disorder. first, there is grandiose delusion, a condition with an individual has an overinflated sense of their own worth, power and identity. >> the american people in the last few months have risen up in overwhelming numbers. we have seen millions of americans all over this country working to change washington. that has been incredible
progress and this fight, this debate will continue until collectively the american people can make d.c. listen. >> sadly, while mr. cruz imagines that the nation is entirely behind him, in fact an overwhelming 70% of americans believe that republicans like him have actually put their personal agenda before the interests of the country. so that's grandiose delusion. but then there's the condition known as persecuteory delusion where an individual believes he or his group are being targeted by those who only want to do him harm. >> i think what he has done over the last two and a half years, he's trying to destroy the republican party. and i think that anything that we do right now with this president on immigration will be with that same goal in mind, which is to destroy the republican party. >> in fact, the president has repeatedly said that he will engage with any republicans who have positive ideas about how to grow the economy. but sadly, mr. labrador appears
overwhelmed pie a form of delusion. so what's the remedy for this condition? how do these individuals break free from their delusion? the president offered a possible solution but it would mean that republicans would have to stop listening to the very people who keep feeding their fears. >> all of us need to stop focusing on the lobbyists and the bloggers and the talking heads on radio and the professional activists who profit from conflict and focus on what the majority of americans sent us here to do, and that's grow this economy, create good jobs, strengthen the middle class, educate our kids. >> in other words, turn off that bloviating massage nis on the radio and your symptoms will begin to improve. thanks for watching this afternoon. coming up next is my friend and colleague ed schultz, an